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First, you're calling me a prick for a straw man argument I didn't make. There's no need to get personal, and personally I write things for a living and am happy to buy the books I read. I will also happily admit that I often buy a printed book, then pirate the electronic version of that same book. In this scenerio, I pay generally a bit more than the eBook version, but I get more (a book I can set on my shelf and lend or give to whomever I'd like), the author gets more (a higher percentage of royalties), I have the chance to support independent booksellers, and the publisher gets a bit less (a lesser percentage of royalties, which I'm quite happy to live with).

What I was addressing is the issue of the way things are. Today, many people buy books by choice, not because they can't get them for free. And in the foreseeable future, I expect more and more people will buy books purely by choice.

Now - you didn't say as much - but I expect the argument you're leading to is that people who pirate books should be treated the same way as shoplifters. Which I think is a horrible idea.

Not because pirating things is morally laudable, or authors don't deserve to get paid, but because the practicalities of detecting and enforcing that punishment would have drastic and damaging effects on the internet and innovation.

So let's discuss alternatives.

If I want to steal an ebook, I have to go to a torrent site or wherever, download it, use something like Calibre to get it into the format my ebook reader will accept, plug that ereader into my computer and sync it over.

If I want to buy an ebook, I search Amazon's (or B&N's or whoever's) online ebook store right from my device, and click buy.

When I've completed the process, I get quite a bit more from the torrent option than the Amazon option. With my DRM-free pirated ebook, I can download it from any country I want regardless of publisher embargoes, read it on any device and share with whoever I want. With the Amazon option, I can't.

Leaving morality aside for the practical purposes of our discussion, currently the question this leaves consumers is whether to pay $12.99 for immediate convenience that comes with some future restrictions, or pay $0.00 and put forth about 15 minutes of effort.

That's a pretty uphill battle for convenience at $12.99. Particularly when you can buy a paper version of the same book, often for near about the same price.

The great thing is, there's a pathway to changing that balance, without ruining the internet or screwing the artest. It's called getting rid of - or drastically reforming - traditional publishers.

If I were to buy "The Help" for my Kindle, I'd pay Amazon $9.99, and the Author's Guild tells me - http://www.authorsguild.org/advocacy/articles/e-book-royalty... - that Kathryn Stockett would get royalties amounting to $2.28. That's what we like to call a "metric-shit-ton" of overhead, particularly for a purely digital good.

You could cut the end-user price in half, and still have more than 50% of each sale go towards distribution, marketing and customer support costs. It's also quite likely that cutting prices in half would move more books, meaning that poor "fourth class citizens" like Kathryn would make quite a bit more money in the end.



"Now - you didn't say as much - but I expect the argument you're leading to is that people who pirate books should be treated the same way as shoplifters. Which I think is a horrible idea. Not because pirating things is morally laudable, or authors don't deserve to get paid, but because the practicalities of detecting and enforcing that punishment would have drastic and damaging effects on the internet and innovation."

This is something I'm acutely aware of and it's not what I'm getting at. I know that bringing panopticon style policing to the cultural sphere would be an unfathomable catastrophe. And though I didn't say so here, I've been long opposed to regarding unauthorized copies as "stolen" and that making them is, in itself, an act of theft - in large part because that line of reasoning invites such a horrific response.

But none of this changes the fact that when someone makes (not takes, but makes) a copy, they simultaneously generate an obligation to the author. If there is an act of theft involved, it pertains to the money owed to the author, and a person's keeping in his pocket something that, by rights, belongs in the author's. I mean, we can talk all we want about the infinite nature of intangible goods, and how this makes analogies with naturally limited physical goods absurd. But in doing so, we're narrowly focusing on the digital copy itself, and not the money - which is not in infinite supply - and which didn't change hands when it should have. Expanding the scope of discussion to include this amount makes the charge of theft less absurd that it is when applied to the copy alone. This is a subtle distinction, I admit, but that doesn't make it any less real.

Obviously, author's moral claims aren't unlimited. Fair Use, for instance, encompasses a set of situations in which a copy can be made without minting a corresponding obligation. This is a good and necessary thing. Indeed, I'm all for a significant expansion of what constitutes Fair Use. (Whatever else you may think of me, please don't mistake me for an advocate of the maximalist RIAA / MPAA positions.)

At the same time, I think the moral obligation to pay that comes with many, if not most copies, is something that's gotten very short thrift. Just because technology makes it easy to dodge this responsibility doesn't mean that it goes away. And if copyright as we've know it isn't a viable system any longer, then we need to come up with one that is.

Here, it's worth remembering that patronage usually involves much more risk than being a customer. This leads to a very different relationship with the artist than artists have with customers. After all, it's one thing to buy a ticket to a hit show. It's another to underwrite the costs of the theater company long before anyone knows how good the result will be. Generally speaking, being a patron means handing over money before the work in question exists. Being a customer means paying the artist after the fact. And unless you're covering the costs and obligations of bringing an existing work to a substantially wider audience, you can't claim to be underwriting something that already exists.

In many ways, it can be very liberating for artists to have the money they need up front. At the same time, this can limit where they go with it. A viable commercial market allows them to take chances a patron wouldn't underwrite, and do well if the bets they make pay off. This is another reason to keep the distinction between patron and customers very clear. Their effect on artists differs considerably, and I don't think one can be easily substituted for the other.




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