Basically lack of polish. Nim's compiler just keeps evolving around unfinished and unpolished ideas never reaching a momentum.

It's a research project of its BDFL and he is alienating the most senior developers and contributors to Nim's ecosystems (ie Zedeus).

And yet I dont see any Flutter macos apps at all.

Nim could do better with more than just 1 or 2 brilliant developers

For small apps I use exclusively SwiftUI for anything more complicated I use a combo of Sciter and Swift (courtesy of https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=c-smile).

There are still a lot of rough edges when it comes to look and feel on Apple platforms but it gives me the performance and speed while also being multiplatform.

Yeah but when you get old enough you get sacked and cant get employed anywhere and have to start frying chicken. So..

As opposed to what happens in the US, you mean?

Come on. We all know in the US a chicken place would never hire you, you would be 'too overqualified'. You have to do 'consulting' work for scraps as a tech person for out of favor industries as your wardrobe slowly goes out of date/becomes threadbare.

What, of course Apple uses Swift on the server, that's the only reason they're investing in any of this. Many of the foundational Swift on the server libraries were written at Apple and later opened, like SwiftNIO.

That's outright false:

https://www.swift.org/blog/swift-at-apple-migrating-the-pass...

You could have easily fact-checked before forming an opinion, but at least the buffoon down there agreeing with you is worse

Man you gotta touch some grass instead of just insulting people.

Smoking grass can also help with this

I personally worked on several server-side Swift projects at Apple.

> Even Apple does not use Swift

Exactly true - they've created all these "working groups" of open source / volunteers to care for Android / Server / Wasm / ... all while being constraint "as an Apple product". Of course the end result is crappy

Yea there is no incentive. Why use Swift on the server or in k8s when you have gazillion other languages that are performant and have the ecosystems.

Swift lives only for macOS,iOS and besides those ecosystems does not have a solid and robust ecosystem to be used for anything else.

It's a shame but it for sure needs BigTech for it to be used anywhere else.

I still have hope Swift will break free like C# has. I hope one day something like Vapor or Kitura takes off.

I guess what Swift misses compared to C# is enterprise usage.

I take what I said back then. I hope Swift never breaks out and is spared the fate of enterprise usage.

If Swift was paired with smh like QT/GTK (could have replaced Vala) it would've been interesting.

It has been: https://www.swift.org/blog/adwaita-swift/

smh?

"something"

Wouldn't that be smth and smh is "shaking my head"?

I'm not a native English speaker, just interested in the vernacular.

I think it's not about that but about dogfooding Swift on the server. Apple uses Go, Java etc for a lot of its server components and refused to invest in hiring people that would extend the ecosystem for server Swift.

Thats the problem.

It certainly doesn't help, but among big tech, Apple is not the only company where teams are siloed and independent. Microsoft has people writing Java or Go instead of C# too.

I assume the server side usage is not zero, but not enough to reach a critical mass, you're probably right there.

ARC is a form of garbage collection. Swift does not fare better than Go usually.

Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M<cpu> and dont have it.

For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience.

I was considering it but got cold feet when I've been told that you could damage it when cleaning it. When I open/close my laptop I leave a ton of finger prints. I'm not too good with delicate hardware stuff.

I clean mine routinely and it's fine for me. I did recently start keeping a thin cleaning cloth on my keyboard for when I close it though. Oil from my fingers on the keyboard was getting on the screen.

What cleaning agent do you use? A dry cloth will not remove finger grease.

isopropyl alcohol, 70%, as a first pass, soapy water after that. I might skip the isopropyl if things aren't too bad. This is per apple's own recommendations.

Why are you touching the screen when you open/close your laptop??? Do you close your car doors with the window?

My screen gets fingerprints from the keyboard, maybe that's what he meant.

Car door windows often have a significant frame of several cm and it's still quite easy to have your fingertips touch the glass while closing it.

On a laptop I would imagine it's actually more likely that fingertips would touch the screen while opening it.

My car has frameless windows and closing the door with them is not recommended.

> Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M<cpu> and dont have it.

Oh really, it's universally better?

> For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience.

Oh. So it's better for someone else with a specific eye condition, who is practically guaranteed to never use a MacBook that I buy?

lmao you're coming in pretty hot, stephen. it is actually possible that from time to time you may encounter comments written on the internet that do not perfectly reference every aspect of your lived experience

It's also possible to make a comment on the internet that clearly identifies the context of what you're saying, rather than implying something is a universal truth.

the comment is 30 words long and refers to an eye condition that 1/3 of all people on earth have. will two other people ever look at your laptop lol

Oh the audacity of not catering to my specific persona